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Justin Thyme
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Posted - 2006.08.10 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Justin Thyme on 10/08/2006 12:48:46
I want to know who has all the Hammerhead 2 BPO's.
IÆm thinking a multi Alliance force needs to find these guys in space and have a "chat" with them. You can only get these kinds of prices by one person (corp./alliance) having them all, or by all the ones having them choosing to work together to keep the price high. I mean the base price on these is under 100k and they are selling for 1.6 to 2 mil. This is in Empire space.
Looks like a bad seeding of the BPO here. The other T2 Mediums aren't even close to being this over priced. Heavy T2Æs cost less.
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Posted - 2006.08.10 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Justin Thyme on 10/08/2006 12:52:41
 Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Demand go up, supply stay same, price go up. This happens whether one person owns all the bpo's, or nobody has more than one.
The suppy of them is fine. They take no time to make. And there are tons of them on the market. This is all artificial inflation
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Posted - 2006.08.10 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zaphod Jones
well I know where two of the Hammerhead II BPO's are, and I get my drones from them at very nice prices.
this helps as I keep losing them
zaphod
Who are they and what do you consider "nice prices" ?
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Posted - 2006.08.10 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Why?
The selling price is never going to be more than people are willing to pay.
Willing and have no choice but to pay are 2 differnt things. They've trained the skill and don't want to waste the training.
And all of these folks are inflating the price. NO choice.
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I do however shoot Ore Thieves. -- Justin Thyme |
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Posted - 2006.08.10 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Justin Thyme
Willing and have no choice but to pay are 2 differnt things.
Yes, they are.
People do have a choice, and they choose to pay.
If they didn't pay, the prices would drop (or the producers would end up making no money)
Just because I have a driving license does not mean that Porsche should sell me a car for the same price as my BMW.
And there is a moral difference between Extortion and profit.
They buy them because they need them. And the price is where it is because of racketeering and collusion.
If you have T2 drone skills there is no ...Less expensive alterative. Other than learning a different races drones. And even those are inflated, but not as much. So your driverÆs license bit doesn't work. This situation is more like this. You spent money to go from driving a motorcycle to learning to drive a car And porche is the only person making cars. Or Porche and Audie and Bill are the only ones making the only car you can use with your new licence. And all 3 have decided that they have you by the short hairs so they are going to extort you for the money. A little differnt than choicing between a porche and a bmw. OR a chevy.
This is a true and artificialy inflated market.
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I do however shoot Ore Thieves. -- Justin Thyme |
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Posted - 2006.08.10 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: JP Moregain
No one is saying that there should be not be good profit in the sale of the hammerhead II's, just that the level of profits is indicating that there is probably an effective (or 'with power' as you might say) monopoly in place.
And I actualy agree with this. Hell if I had the BPO I would probably mark them up a bit as well. Maybe 200k in high sec to 400k in low sec to cover getting them there. But really taking a 97k object and selling it for 2mil. And not haveing the market drop out is just unrealistic. You would think that at least one person would try to undercut the other ones. And still make a hell of a profit.
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I do however shoot Ore Thieves. -- Justin Thyme |
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Posted - 2006.08.10 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Matori Kar
it makes very little difference to CCP, they have already set a out a plan to sort the situation out.
Are you thinking invention will fix this. Or are they comming up with something else. Like spreading out the BPO's
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I do however shoot Ore Thieves. -- Justin Thyme |
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Posted - 2006.08.11 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: babylonstew
actually, i think ccp believe the current system is fine, and they are basically caving in to 'the whiners' on this one.
however, they just cannot ever admit they are changing it due to 'the whiners'. as the forums would fill up with nerf this change that threads so fast it would crash.
and like stated earlier, if you dont think they are worth 2 mil a pop, use something else.
you dont think a chelms rep is actually 'worth' 1 bill isk or whatever do you?, and i guess you wouldnt use one.
I think it's more they have finaly realized they gave a few folks the ablitly to set up an isk printing press and were expecting market forces to actualy work in an artificial market. It doesn't. True ecconimic pressures do not work in this environment. If it costs Joe 40k say to make something and no one buys it at 2mill or 1.6 mil he isn't going to go broke if it doesn't sell right away. And he can make money other ways until his "investment" pays off. It's not as if he has tied up a lot of money in stock. Even if he makes 100 of these it's a couple days mining, if that and aquiring parts. It's worth more for him to sit and wait for someone to give up and pay. If he also knows that others can do the same and not cave to market forces then he can just wait till someone with ISK to throw away decides to buy them.
They didn't seed these things wide enough to create a balenced introduction.
I'm all for a profit that's why you build and sell. And it should be affected by supply and demand. But lets face it it's not as if the holders are effected at all my real market forces. The Toon is not going to starve or go out of bussiness because they held onto stock too long. No warehouse is charging them Rent to hold the stuff. They don't have to worry about paying the electric bill. And hell the office rent on the station is cheap enough that they can make that ratting or selling mins. So there product not selling right away doesn't really effect them.
Oh and on the "if I don't want to pay it then don't" ... For the record I don't. They aren't worth 2 mil.
"Hunting rats is like minning for scrap metal... and occationaly striking gold" -- Justin Thyme
I don't shoot people. That would be wrong.
I do however shoot Ore Thieves. -- Justin Thyme |
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